+Julius Keilwerth brass serial numbers

                                     Serial numbers 2500 - 4.999

 

                                     Keilwerth Toneking, serial number 4307

page 2: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 5.000 - 9.999

page 3: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 10.000 - 14.999

page 4: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 15.000 - 335.308

The general information about the history of Keilwerth brass instruments is on a separate page. 

There are serial number lists of Keilwerth saxophones around but there was no such thing for their brass instruments. Below you'll find a list of instruments and numbers that were traded through Ebay, Quoka and such, with information added from sites like Trompetenforum.de (where Brigantiumjazz triggered me to make this list), Trumpetherald.com, Trumpetmaster.com, Horn-u-copia and the Yorkmaster public pictures at Yahoo. There seems to be no relation whatsoever between the serial numbers of Keilwerth saxophones and their brass instrument serial numbers.

This serial number list of brass instruments now has some 950 entries, that's maybe 3 percent of Keilwerth brass production. It shows a fairly continuous serie up to number 30658, with a few examples of every 1000. Then, after a few incidental Tonekings, new models show up, like the 2000 and 3000 series and the Student. The jump, first to the 100.xxx range, with mostly 'Student' instruments and then to the 200.xxx range with the 'De Luxe 2000' and 'Super de Luxe 2000' models could originate in other makers providing the instruments, as stated above. Here the gaps between the numbers are much larger. That's probably because they are part of a serial number list that includes the makers 'own' instruments as well as other stencils. And maybe also because these are newer and still with their original owners, so they down't show up on Ebay and other sites? Then there are incidental examples of the Modell AT and SX of which we don't know a number. La Sete and Hamilton instruments are integrated in this list, although they're not all made by Keilwerth, the La Sete instruments in the 15x.xxx range obviously come from Elkhart, Indiana, others come from Wohlrab.

Here's a graph that illustrates the development of Keilwerth serial numbers in the list below. Steady going from zero till 30.000 and then a few high scores.

serial number

instruments on list

 

There also are Keilwerth brass instruments without a serial number but with the valves numbered. The trumpets without a serial number mostly have an additional bow in the main tuning slide, a feature that's seen more often on pre-war trumpets. Therefore I think these are the first Keilwerth brass instruments, before the serial numbers started. Trombones also seem to be missing a serial number quite often. There are also serials in the lower range that begin with a zero. These seem to be a separate line (most Toneking model) where (most of the) the De Luxe models are without the zero.

For additions and corrections: please contact me. Information about the year your instrument was acquired is very helpful. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this list so far!

 

Julius Keilwerth serial numbers for brass instruments

(trumpet, trombone, cornet, flugelhorn)

 

serial number

type, model

year

(as stated by owner or seller)

remarks, engravings

(MbKG= Made by Keilwerth Germany)

instrument

(other than trumpet)

thumbnail picture

engravings picture

2507 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  
2508 Toneking de Luxe   silver    
2509 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG    
2525 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  
2556 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3    
2566 Toneking de Luxe   valve numbers 1,2,3  
2585         xx  
2599 Toneking de Luxe 1954      
2609 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
2610 Toneking   MbKG    
2621 Super de Luxe     Trombone

2657

Super de Luxe

 

tricolor, raw brass

 

 

2680 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3   xx  
2687 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 76,77,78  

2697

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

2697 Super de Luxe     Trombone
2721 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
2749 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3   xx  
2753 Toneking from DK MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
2760 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone
2814 Toneking 60 - 65 years old in 2014 C trumpet or missing a part?  

2814

Toneking de Luxe

1965-1970

 

 

 

2818 Toneking de Luxe      
2823 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone  

2838

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

2856 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3,  
2858 Toneking   MbKG  
2867 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3, Kasper Wicky Genève
2869 Toneking   MbKG valvenumbers 1,2,3   x  
2877 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
2875 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  

2892

Toneking

 

 

Trombone

 

2896

Toneking de Luxe

around 1960

       
2913 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3    
2914 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3  
2919 Toneking de Luxe '1950-1965'

 

 

2932 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
2968 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 C-trumpet
2980 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3  
3000 Toneking   MbKG
3xx3 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone  
3006 Toneking de Luxe 50's MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3
3035 Toneking de Luxe?   valve numbers 61,62,63 trumpet  
3035 Toneking   MbKG Trombone
3072 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, sandblasted  
3092 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3, valves numbered 3092
3093? Toneking de Luxe   MbKG
3135     slide MbKG, combined with a King 3B bell nr 673463

Trombone

 
3137 Super de Luxe      
3179 Toneking     Trombone
3182 Toneking   MbKG  
3198 Toneking        
3230 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3 Cornet
3248 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone    
3249 Toneking de Luxe 40-50 years old in 2013 MbKG Trombone
3263 Toneking   MbKG  

3265

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 
3278 Toneking de Luxe 'ca 60's/70's' MbKG  
3309 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG    
3378 Toneking     trombone
34xx Super de Luxe        
3402 Toneking de Luxe for sale in 2019 from Vienna MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 Musik Goll, Wien  
3403 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3  
3427 Super de Luxe   MbKG  
3433 Super de Luxe   MbKG   xx  
3435 Super de Luxe   MbKG  

3455

Toneking bought in 1959    

3460

Super de Luxe 

 

 

Trombone

 
3466 Toneking de Luxe   Made by Keilwerth Trombone
3502 Toneking de Luxe      
3514 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2,3,    
3545 Toneking '1934' MbKG valve numbers 1, 2,3,  

3552

Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone
3557 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2,3,   xx  

3619

Super de Luxe 50 years old in 2014   Trombone
3620 Toneking 1951-1953 MbKG  
3657 Super de Luxe   MbKG
3659 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3 Cornet
3622 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3    
3663 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG

black and gold

 
3669 Toneking   MbKG Cornet
3669 Toneking   MbKG  

3673

Toneking

 

 

Cornet

 
3687 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 73,74,75  

3705

Toneking

 

 

 

 
3720 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3  
3731 Toneking de luxe   MbKG Trombone
3745 Toneking '70's' MbKG
3746 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3    
3776 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG   xx  
3801 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  

3823

Toneking Super de Luxe

 

 

Valve Trombone

3844 Toneking   MbKG Slide Trombone
3844 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 Valve Trombone
3850 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 Cornet
3876 Toneking de Luxe more than 50 years old in 2013 MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 Cornet
3901 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 70, 71, 72  

3912

Toneking

 

 

 

 
3921 Toneking   MbKG valvenumbers 1,2,3  

3941

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

3980

Toneking

 

 

 

 
3995 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valvenumbers 1,2,3    
4004 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 64, 65, 66 Cornet
4008 Toneking   MbKG  
4014 Toneking bought in 1956 in Stuttgart MbKG, valve numbers 94,95,96 Cornet

4029

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

Trombone

 
4047 nameless bell   MbKG, valve numbers 28,29,30 Valve Trombone  
4050 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone  
4066 Toneking de Luxe late 50's MbKG, valve numbers 85,86,87 Trombone
408x Toneking 'probably 30-40's " MbKG  
4092 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3,  

4124

Toneking

 

 

 

 
4171 Toneking          
4188 Toneking      
4200 Super de Luxe      

4271

Toneking

 

 

 

 
4291 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3, Cornet
4301 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone

4307

Toneking   MbKG  

43xx

Super de Luxe

 

tricolor

 

4320 Toneking   MbKG Trombone
4325 Toneking   MbKG  

4344

 

 

'Bb en C'

 

 

4350

Super de Luxe

 

tricolor

 

 

4355

Toneking

 

 

Cornet

 
4445 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3,  
4451 Toneking   MbKG  

4477

Toneking

1975

 

 

 

4520 Toneking   MbKG Trombone
4529 Toneking   MbKG Trombone
4535 Toneking de Luxe sixties or seventies    
4546 Toneking     C Trumpet
4570 Super de Luxe      
4585 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG

4573

Toneking de Luxe

bought in 1961

 

 

 

 

4609 Toneking   MbKG  

4628

Toneking de Luxe

ca 1955

 

 

 

4699 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  
4713 Toneking de Luxe        
4751 Toneking   MbKG Trombone
4755 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3    
4803 Toneking de Luxe        
4868? Toneking   MbKG Yamaha weight Trombone
4957 ? ca 60 years in 2019   Cornet  
4972 Toneking   MbKG Trombone  

page 2: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 5.000 - 9.999

page 4: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 10.000 - 14.999

page 4: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 15.000 -335.308

For some instrument there is a more or less reliable date of purchase know. Based on these dates the graph below is made. Note that an instrument bought at a certain time may have waited in the shop for a considerable amount of time, sometimes several years. So drawing a line between the lower dots gives an approximation of the timeline of the production of Keilwerth brass, that is the first 30.000 Keilwerth instruments, which I believe is their own production.

year

serial number

If you note any discrepancies, or have additional information concerning the Keilwerth history and Keilwerth brass instruments, please contact me.

Additionally, I would be grateful to anyone who owns a Keilwerth brass instrument not listed to contact me with the name, type and serial number (etc.). It would be nice to build the list also using other horns than those that are being sold.

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Sources

bassic-sax.info/version5/vintage-saxes/european-made-saxes/julius-keilwerth/jk-nauheim

www.trompetenforum.de

www.trumpetherald.com

www.trumpetmaster.com

www.dallasmusic.org/jkbrass/

www.horn-u-copia.net

saxwelt.de/index.php/geschichte/keilwerth

www.ebay.de  www.ebay.com etc.

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