Julius Keilwerth brass serial numbers

                                     Seriennummern 5.000 - 9.999

   

                                   Toneking cornet serial number 5614

page 1: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 27 - 4.999

page 3: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 10.000-14.999

page 4: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 15.000 -335.308

On a separate page you'll find general information about the history of Keilwerth brass instruments  

There are serial number lists of Keilwerth saxophones around but there was no such thing for their brass instruments. Below you'll find a list of instruments and numbers that were traded through Ebay, Quoka and such, with information added from sites like Trompetenforum.de (where Brigantiumjazz triggered me to make this list), Trumpetherald.com, Trumpetmaster.com, Horn-u-copia and the Yorkmaster public pictures at Yahoo. There seems to be no relation whatsoever between the serial numbers of Keilwerth saxophones and their brass instrument serials numbers.

This serial number list of brass instruments now has more than 650 entries, that's maybe 2 percent of Keilwerth brass production. It shows a fairly continuous serie up to number 30658, with a few examples of every 1000. Then, after a few incidental Tonekings, new models show up, like the 2000 and 3000 series and the Student. The jump, first to the 100.xxx range, with mostly 'Student' instruments and then to the 200.xxx range with the 'De Luxe 2000' and 'Super de Luxe 2000' models could originate in other makers providing the instruments, as stated above. Here the gaps between the numbers are much larger. That's probably because they are part of a serial number list that includes the makers 'own' instruments as well as other stencils. And maybe also because these are newer and still with their original owners, so they down't show up on Ebay and other sites? Then there are incidental examples of the Modell AT and SX of which we don't know a number. La Sete and Hamilton instruments are integrated in this list, although they're not all made by Keilwerth, the La Sete instruments in the 15x.xxx range obviously come from Elkhart, Indiana, others come from Wohlrab.

Here's a graph that illustrates the development of Keilwerth serial numbers in the list below. Steady going from zero till 30.000 and then a few high scores.

serial number

instruments on list

 

There also are Keilwerth brass instruments known without a serial number. The trumpets without a serial number mostly have an additional bow in the main tuning slide, a feature that's seen more often on pre-war trumpets. Therefore I think these are the first Keilwerth brass instruments, before the serial numbers started. Trombones also seem to be missing a serial number quite often.

For additions and corrections: please contact me. Information about the year an (your) instrument was acquired is very helpful.

 

Julius Keilwerth serial numbers for brass instruments

(trumpet, trombone, cornet, flugelhorn)

 

serial number

type, model

year

(as stated by owner or seller)

remarks, engravings

(MbKG= Made by Keilwerth Germany)

instrument

(other than trumpet)

thumbnail picture

engravings picture

             

5005

Toneking

 

 

 

 

5009

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

5027

Toneking De Luxe

 

 

 

 

5035          
5046 Toneking      
5215 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
5261 Toneking bought 19-3-1973 at Reisser Ulm MbKG C/Bb/A  

5264

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

5287 Toneking de Luxe ?   MbKG  
5321 Toneking de Luxe   black    

5329

Toneking de Luxe

1960

Silver finish

 

 

5531 Toneking bought in 1958 MbKG  
5345 Kembro   MbKG
5352 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3  
5367 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3    

5379

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

5399 Toneking      
5435 Toneking   MbKG  
5455 Toneking          
5475 Toneking   MbKG  

5490

Toneking

 

 

 

 

5496 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1,2,3 Musik Schaller Kaiserslautern  
5509 Toneking      
5517 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3
5569 Toneking      
5583 Toneking de Luxe bill from 1960 MbKG

5596

Super de Luxe

 

 

 

 

5614 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 52,53,54 inscription H G cornet

5624

Toneking?

 

 

 

 

5791 Toneking de Luxe bought on 27-5-1962(bill speaks about Super de Luxe) MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3
5835 Toneking      
5871     Horn-u-copia, no further details Soprano Trombone  
5884 Toneking de Luxe 'before 1977'      
5924 Toneking      
5949 Super de luxe        
5970 Super de Luxe bought June(?) 1961 in Kristiansund (Norway) MbKG tricolor, raw brass  
5984 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
5991 Super de Luxe 'ca 35 years old in 2014'      

6005

Toneking

 

 

 

 

6040 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone  

6061

Toneking

1956-1960

 

 

 

6078

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

6101

Toneking de Luxe

ca 1960

 

 

 

6130 Toneking     trombone  
6134

(6728)

Toneking de Luxe   slide part numbered 6134 slide/Valve trombone combination
6147 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
6172 Toneking 'early 70's' MbKG  
6209 La Sete   Made in Germany (Wohlrab) valve numbers 147, 148, 149    
6222 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
6226 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
6238 Toneking   MbKG  
6311 Toneking de Luxe around 1960      
6312 Toneking      
6353 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
6386 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve/slidetrombone combination
6453 Toneking      
6462 Toneking   MKG    

6480

Toneking   MbKG Trombone
6493 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG Trombone
6535 La Sete sold from California 2014 Made in Germany valve numbers 52, 53, 54 (Wohlrab)  
6537 Toneking de Luxe      
6548 Toneking   MbKG keylabel
6588 Toneking de Luxe 'between 1935-55' MbKG Trombone
6595 Toneking de Luxe      

6606

Toneking

 

 

 

 

6623 Toneking   MbKG  
6629 Toneking   MbKG    

6641

Toneking de Luxe

1960

 

 

 

6651 Super de Luxe     Trombone
6673 LA SetÚ   MbKG Trombone  
6685 La Sete   'Made in Germany by Keilwerth' Trombone    
6687 Toneking        
6691 Toneking        
6728

(6134)

Toneking de Luxe 1962 MbKG, valve part numbered 6728, valve numbers 115, 116, 117 valve/slide trombone combination  
6719 Hamilton 1043   Made by Keilwerth Trombone  

6772

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

Trombone

 
6834 Toneking   silver    
6888 La Sete   Made in Germany      
6962 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 376, 377, 378  
6967 Super de Luxe     Trombone

6978

Toneking

 

 

 

 
6990 Toneking? more than 40 years in 2013      
7035 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 145, 146, 147  
7036 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 145, 146, 147  
7057 La Sete   Made in Germany, valve numbers 109, 110, 111 (Wohlrab) 7057 on the bell sold by Splevins, Los Angeles  
7060 Super de Luxe     Trombone  

7068

Toneking

 

 

 

 
7069 Super de Luxe   7067 on guarantee card Trombone
7105 Toneking        
7130 Toneking   MbKG    

 

 

 

7156 Toneking de Luxe      
7167 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3 Musik-Greiss NŘrtingen  

 

7174 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
7207 Toneking de luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  

7276

Toneking

 

 

 

 
7327 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 103,104,105
7349 Toneking de Luxe      

7358

Toneking de Luxe

1962 -1963

     
7373 La SÚte   Made in Germany valve numbers 148,149,150       7373 on the bell    
7374 La Sete   Made in Germany valve numbers 58,59,60  
7376 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3,  
74xx La Sete   MbKG, valve numbers 7,8,9      
7403 Toneking      
7430 Toneking "bought new in Auckland,NZ ca 40 years ago in 2005" MbKG, valve numbers 52, 53, 54      
7437 Toneking for sale in New Zealand 2007

MbKG valve numbers 1, 2, 3

 

 

 
7441 La Sete   Made in Germany,valve numbers 83,84,85 (Wohlrab) 7441 on the bell sold from California
7447 La Sete   Made in Germany sold on Ebay, 2010    
7490 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2, 3  

7532

Toneking de Luxe

 

 

 

 

7535

Toneking de luxe

 

 

 

 
7560   50's MbKG  
7588 Toneking   MbKG  

7771

Toneking

 

 

 

 
7844 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  

7851

Toneking

 

black

 

 
7864` La SÚte   Made in Germany (Wohlrab) valve numbers 76,77,78
7912 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  
7948 La SÚte   Made in Germany (Wohlrab) 7948 on the bell  
7958 Toneking   MbKG, valves number 574, 575, 576  
803x Toneking de Luxe   black and gold    
8071 Toneking de Luxe ca 50 years in 2013 MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3

8076

Toneking de Luxe

 

black and gold

 

 
8079 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG  
8068 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
8113 La SÚte from Canada Made in Germany (Wohlrab)

8113 on the bell

 
8119 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3 Musik Schaller Kaiserslautern  
8126 Toneking   MbKG Trombone

8133

 

'ca 30 years old in 2009'

tricolor

 

 

8162

Super de Luxe

 ca 1960

MbKG

Trombone

8174 Toneking de Luxe      
8190? Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
8226 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
8231 Super de Luxe     Trombone  

8233

Super de Luxe

 

 

Trombone

 
8235 Toneking de Luxe   Mollenhauer & S÷hne Fulda  
8368 Toneking de Luxe     Trombone
8369 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 1, 2, 3

8372

Toneking

 

MbKG, valve numbers 100, 101, 102,

 

 

8393 Toneking   MbKG    
8452 Toneking        

8473

Toneking

 

 

 

8748 Toneking   MbKG, valve numbers 493, 494, 495 partially black lacquer

8844

Toneking

 

 

 

 

8872

Toneking

 

 

 

 

8893 Toneking   MbKG  
8985 Toneking de Luxe   MbKG valve numbers 1,2,3  

9052

Toneking

'before 1989'

 

 

 

9107 Toneking        
9388 Toneking   Made by Keilwerth, valve numbers 82,83,84

JA Hinteregger Musikinstr.-Bau Wolfurt.Vlbg

valve trombone

9487 Toneking   MbKG valve numbers 1, 2, 3  
9497 Toneking de Luxe 1967 MbKG  

9505

Toneking de Luxe

 1963/1964

 

 

 

 

9517

Toneking

 

 

 

 

9542 Toneking   MbKG  
9580 Toneking ca 45 years in 2013 bicolor    
9793 Toneking de Luxe 21-2-1964 on warranty card black and gold
9805   more than 50 years in 2015      

page 1: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 27 - 4.999

page 3: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 10.000-14.999

page 4: Keilwerth brass serial numbers 15.000 -335.308

For some instrument there is a more or less reliable date of purchase know. Based on these dates the graph below is made. Note that an instrument bought at a certain time may have waited in the shop for a considerable amount of time, sometimes several years. So drawing a line between the lower dots gives an approximation of the timeline of the production of Keilwerth brass, that is the first 30.000 Keilwerth instruments, which I believe is their own production.

year

serial number

If you note any discrepancies, or have additional information concerning the Keilwerth history and Keilwerth brass instruments, please contact me.

Additionally, I would be grateful to anyone who owns a Keilwerth brass instrument not listed to contact me with the name, type and serial number (etc.). It would be nice to build the list also using other horns than those that are being sold.

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Sources

bassic-sax.info/version5/vintage-saxes/european-made-saxes/julius-keilwerth/jk-nauheim

www.trompetenforum.de

www.trumpetherald.com

www.trumpetmaster.com

www.dallasmusic.org/jkbrass/

www.horn-u-copia.net

saxwelt.de/index.php/geschichte/keilwerth

www.ebay.de  www.ebay.com etc.

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